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Rights and Responsibilities

Wed Oct 8, 2008, 5:00 AM

Mood: Tired
Listening to: A Metronome
Reading: Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
Drinking: Coffee

A lot of people seem to be talking about tempering our rights with our responsibilities.

A brief argument as to why this is evil and immoral:

Responsibilities are subjective. They change with world-view, circumstance, etc.

Rights are objective. They are absolutes. In any given situation you will still have your rights; no matter what your responsibilities, your rights will remain. They are non-commutable.

So there, lefties.

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*Darkenlite Oct 8, 2008, 5:24:19 AM

The only people I think truly have responsiblities is the government to us.

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~Ockeroid Oct 8, 2008, 6:30:57 AM

What about a parent's responsibility to their child?

What is right to do also changes with world-view, circumstance, etc. Does that mean morality is subjective?

~Seiberwing Oct 8, 2008, 9:27:15 AM

"Lefties"?

~RDFAF Oct 8, 2008, 3:52:13 PM

Welcome to our situation in America.

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~Seien-24 Oct 9, 2008, 1:45:42 AM

Hmm, both good points. I was thinking of changing it to "social responsibilities", but you could class parental responsibilities as that, too... maybe, "responsibilities to society" would capture the meaning I'm looking for? I know what I'm thinking.

It's just hard to express it in words.

And.. no, it doesn't. So I must have missed something about these kinds of responsibilities... Possibly that these "responsibilities to society" are... Communist? As in, they're argued as being good because they're altruistic/good for the people/whatever, rather than because they're good at the time?

I wish you had been with me at the times I heard people talk about it. :/ You might be able to help me with the nuance.

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~Seien-24 Oct 9, 2008, 1:45:51 AM

Left-handed people.

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~Seien-24 Oct 9, 2008, 1:46:18 AM

Please, this is our situation in Britain, except way worse. :<

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~Seien-24 Oct 9, 2008, 1:47:21 AM

Even so, those responsibilities only correspond with objective morality - natural rights (life, liberty and property, maybe some others i missed).

And there is parent to child responsibility. My language was appalling in this post. >:\

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